Questions tagged [rice-theorem]
Rice's Theorem states that any (non-trivial) property of Turing machines is undecidable.
58
questions
0
votes
0answers
25 views
Is my assumption about non trivial propery correct?
"make sure you understand why for a non trivial property $S$, $\bar{S}$ is also non trivial"
My assumption is: $S$ is non trivial property: There are L1,L2 such that $L_{1},L_{2}\in RE$ and ...
0
votes
1answer
34 views
Using Rice's theorem to prove undecidability of $E_{TM}$
I saw this proof and I wondered if I could prove $E_{TM}$ with Rice's theorem similar to the one described in the answer. Can you do the same thing by letting $M$ to only accept empty strings? (the $M$...
2
votes
1answer
47 views
Is this a correct application of Rice-Shapiro theorem?
Let $\langle M\rangle$ be the encoding of a Turing machine as a string over $\Sigma=\{0,1\}$, and consider the language $L=\{\langle M\rangle| \text{ $M$ is a Turing machine that accepts a string of ...
1
vote
1answer
36 views
Is there a connection between the Undecidability Theorem and “software complexity”?
I was reading Complexity: The Emerging Science at the Edge of Order and
Chaos and a certain passage got me really intrigued. When discussing
Chris Langton's explorations of artificial life algorithms,...
2
votes
1answer
31 views
Halting (on empty input tape) for an infinite subset of all Turing machines
As is well known, there is no single procedure for deciding whether any given Turing machine halts on an empty input tape. This is easily shown, e. g., by applying Rice's theorem.
But what if, instead ...
0
votes
1answer
150 views
Determine if a language is Decidable or semi decidable
Consider the language $L = \{\langle M \rangle: \text{ $M$ accepts at most two single-letter words}\}$, where $\langle M\rangle$ is the encoding of Turing machine $M$.
We need to determine, without ...
0
votes
0answers
16 views
Modern vs. original formulations of Rice's theorem
Rice's theorem states that any nontrivial semantic property of Turing machines is undecidable.
However, when I opened “Classes of recursively enumerable sets and their decision problems” by H. G. Rice,...
1
vote
1answer
39 views
Is Rice's Theorem equivalent to the Halting problem?
As I understand it Rice's Theorem seems to imply the existence of the Halting problem. That is, with Rice's Theorem, we can prove that the Halting problem is undecidable. However, to me, it seems like ...
1
vote
1answer
34 views
Why is the following language undecidable?
I'm currently learning for my exams this semester and tried to solve some old exams from the last years.
The question is to show, that L ist undecidable.
$L=\{w|T(M_w)\neq\emptyset \land \forall x \in ...
1
vote
1answer
51 views
Rice's Theorem for Turing machine with fixed output
So I was supposed to prove with the help of Rice's Theorem whether the language:
$L_{5} = \{w \in \{0,1\}^{*}|\forall x \in \{0,1\}^{*}, M_{w}(w) =x\}$ is decidable.
First of all: I don't understand, ...
1
vote
1answer
32 views
Prove a language is not recursive enumerable
I need to prove
$: L=\left\{<M>| M \text { is a } T M \text { and } L(M)=L\left((01)^{*}\right)\right\} \notin R e$
at first observation it looks like it's immediate from Rice's extended Thm, ...
2
votes
1answer
55 views
All problems about Turing machines that involve only the language that the TM accepts are undecidable
I came across the below statement in the classic text "Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation" by Hopcroft, Ullman, Motwani.
...
1
vote
0answers
104 views
Rice theorem, the proof of the part when the empty language belongs to the property
I was going through the classic text "Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation" by Hofcroft, Ullman and Motwani where I came across the proof the Rice theorem as shown.
$...
0
votes
1answer
42 views
EVEN-CFL Decidable / Undecidable - Rice-Theorem
Let EVEN-CFL $=\left\{w | M_{w} \text { is a } \mathrm{TM}, \text { such that } L\left(M_{w} \right) \\ \text{ has only words with even length and is context free.}\right .\}$
Question : Is EVEN-CFL ...
0
votes
1answer
94 views
How can I apply Rice's theorem?
I am learning for my computability and complexity exam in which there is always an exercise to decide whether some problem is decidable or not.
In one of the past exams, there was the following ...
-2
votes
2answers
121 views
Why Rice theorem work for decidability?
Rice's theorem states:
Every nontrivial property of recursively enumerable language is undecidable.
I came across following problems, which Ullman's books say both are undecidable:
Turing ...
2
votes
1answer
97 views
Proving that Rice's theorem does not apply to a property
This is related to an assignment, but I would still appreciate help in formalising proof either through private message or on this topic.
The question is about if Rice theorem applies to certain ...
0
votes
1answer
89 views
Decidability of decision problems
Can somebody give intuition how to answer those questions? From one side I can say that most of them are undecidable because we can reduce the halting problem to them (or halting problem can appear ...
0
votes
1answer
763 views
Rice Theorem - Problem to understand and apply it
I have struggle to understand the Rice Theorem.
My understanding of Rice Theorem:
The purpose of this Theorem is to proof that some given language L is undecidable iff the language has a non-trivial ...
1
vote
1answer
161 views
How to determine if this problem is decidable?
I am currently stuck on the following problem:
Given a WHILE-program P and the knowledge that all input variales are set to 0, is it decidable if a specific instruction is reached 1000 times?
My ...
1
vote
2answers
185 views
Rice's Theorem - usage on $DFA$ or $LBA$
I have read about Rice's Theorem on Sipser's book, and I think I understand it quite well. I understand that it can be used to show that a language is not decidable.
However I am not sure about one ...
0
votes
2answers
122 views
Can we enumerate finite sequences which have no halting continuation?
Note: this question has been cross-posted to Math.SE, after about a week here.
I am trying to deepen my understanding of the relationship between the Halting Problem and Godel's Completeness Theorem (...
1
vote
1answer
99 views
Rice's theorem applicable to the following language?
Let $L= \{\langle M \rangle \mid M \text{ halts on } \langle M \rangle \} $
be a language where $\langle M \rangle$ is the Code of the TM $M$. $L$ is undecidable.
I've heard that I can't use Rice's ...
1
vote
1answer
609 views
Language of TM is Undecidable
why is this Problem$$L = \{ \langle M\rangle \mid L(M) \text{ is undecidable}\}$$ undecidable?
I thought if we know $L(M)$ the turingmaschine accepts all $x \in L(M)$, so $L(M)$ is in every case ...
2
votes
1answer
695 views
proof of the rice's theorem
Let $P$ be any nontrivial property of the language of a Turing machine. Prove
that the problem of determining whether a given TM’s language has property $P$ is undecidable.
Proof:(This is from sipser'...
3
votes
3answers
363 views
What is the Name of the Problem or Technique of Determining if a Line in a Program Will Execute
If I were to pose the question: "Given a program $P$ containing statement $X$, will $X$ be executed (given enough runs with all possible inputs)?"
This strikes me of being a relative of the Halting ...
1
vote
1answer
247 views
Trying to prove semidecidability of an undecidable language
I have been having a hard time understanding whether the set $S = \{ M \mid |L(M)| = 5 \}$ is semidecidable or not, where $M$ is a generic Turing Machine and $L(M)$ the language accepted by such TM, ...
2
votes
1answer
325 views
Rice's theorem application on a language that resembles ETM
I'm working on an exercise that involves checking if the Rice's theorem can be applied on a two languages.
The first language is $E_{TM} = \{ \langle M \rangle \text{ | M is a Turing Machine and } L(...
1
vote
1answer
321 views
A question about proving Rice's Theorem by reducing it to the Halting Problem
I've read the definition for Rice's Theorem, here's the one from Wikipedia:
In computability theory, Rice's theorem states that all non-trivial,
semantic properties of programs are undecidable. ...
1
vote
1answer
1k views
Is L={<M>|M is a TM and L(M) is uncountable} decidable?
Is $L=\{\langle M\rangle\mid \text{$M$ is a Turing machine and $L(M)$ is uncountable}\}$ decidable?
My intuition is that it is not, but I'm not sure if Rice's Theorem applies in this case. If it is ...
1
vote
1answer
52 views
How can I build a fool proof security system? [closed]
From what I understand, designing an IT security systems requires to build an algorithm D which can decide whether any program M is malicious or not.
That tasks looks very similar to me than deciding ...
0
votes
1answer
53 views
Caroll's paradox => Rice theorem?
To me (but I might be wrong) Rice's theorem asserts that it's not possible to formalise the demonstration of a non-trivial property of a recursively enumerable language within the same given language. ...
-2
votes
1answer
36 views
Show that $L = L_\phi \cup L_{\{\sum^*\}} \notin RE$ with Rice theorem
Show that $L = L_\phi \cup L_{\{\sum^*\}} \notin RE$ with Rice theorem.
Well I did show that with reduction, by using $HP'$.
Simply by creating a function from $f(\langle M \rangle, x) = (M')$
Thus, ...
1
vote
2answers
520 views
Is the Rice's theorem applicable to $\{ \langle M \rangle \mid M \mbox{ is a Turing machine such that }L(M) = H_{all} \mbox{ } \}$?
Until just now I thought that I have fully understood Rice's theorem but this example irritates me:
$L^* = \{ \langle M \rangle \mid M \mbox{ is a Turing machine such that }L(M) = H_{all} \mbox{ } \}...
3
votes
2answers
2k views
Why is “accepted by Turing Machine with even number of states” a trivial property?
$$
L = \left\{ \left< M \right>~\middle|~
\small{
\begin{array}{l}
L(M)\text{ is recognized by a Turing Machine} \\
\text{having even number of states}
\end{array}
}
\right\}.
$$
Isn't $L$ same ...
1
vote
1answer
155 views
Proving that a class of languages is a subset of RE for Rice Theorem
Consider language $L = \{<M> |L(M) \subseteq L(0(0\cup1)^*) \}$
where $<M>$ is a valid encoding of a turing machine.
I know that the language is applicable for Rice Theorem.
Now, I ...
10
votes
4answers
3k views
The bounded halting problem is decidable. Why doesn't this conflict with Rice's theorem?
One statement of Rice's theorem is given on page 35 of "Computational Complexity: a Modern Approach" (Arora-Barak):
A partial function from $\{0,1\}^*$ to $\{0,1\}^*$ is a function that is not ...
1
vote
1answer
135 views
What is the definition of a property?
I have seen 2 answers in stackoverflow:
A "trivial" property is one that holds either for all languages or for none.
The property is trivial if it contains every TM, or if it is empty.
My problem is:...
0
votes
0answers
56 views
Is undecidability of TMs' properties a statistical statement?
We know (by Rice's theorem) that is it not possible to decide a non-trivial property of a given TM. We could say therefore that we cannot be sure at 100 percent that a given TM has a certain non-...
3
votes
1answer
321 views
Rice's Theorem for Total Computable Functions
Fix a Gödel numbering, and write $\phi_n$ for the function coded by $n$. Rice's theorem states that if $P$ is the set of partial computable functions, and $A \subseteq P$, then the decision problem
...
0
votes
0answers
49 views
Reduction without Rice's Theorem
How can I show that the following language is neither semi decidable nor co-semi decidable without using Rice's Theorem?
Further for the following language, how would I show that it IS co-semi ...
0
votes
2answers
1k views
RICE theorem applications
I am having some confusion in understanding RICE's theorem.
It says every non trivial property of RE in undecidable.
I need to understand when to apply RICE's theorem and when to not.
Questions ...
1
vote
2answers
163 views
How to determine enumerability after applying Rice's theorem?
To my knowledge, lots of languages can be classified as undecidable after applying Rice's theorem, for example {"M" | L(M) is regular}.
But what I am not sure is, how to determine if a language is ...
4
votes
1answer
158 views
Decide the set of all Turing machines with $L(M)=\left\{\langle M\rangle\right\}$
How can I prove that the language $L=\left\{\langle M\rangle\mid L(M)=\left\{\langle M\rangle\right\}\right\}$ is not decidable?
When trying to use a diagonal argument, I cannot conclude from $L(M)\...
4
votes
2answers
2k views
Is the Rice Theorem applicable for these problems?
I have 1 problem :-->
L = { < M > | TM halts on no inputs }
I have solved the above problems by reductions given in the book and even there are many links ...
1
vote
1answer
55 views
Is the given language decidable?
L = { < M > | M is a turing machine and }
Obviously, the language which L(M) is polynomially reducible to, is context free and hence recursive, so it is a decidable language .
Now, L(M) is ...
-1
votes
2answers
141 views
Does Rice theorem imply that it is not possible to find out the absolute optimum of a physical process?
One of my friends works for a big oil rafinery. He's in charge of optimising the inputs (volumes, maximum price to pay for crude oil etc.) given a profit.
He's telling me there are heuristic ways to ...
0
votes
1answer
891 views
Prove whether this problem is decidable or undecidable [duplicate]
So I am reviewing my notes for this problem, and I cant seem to understand how this problem works. Say we have M, and M accepts an input that makes it visit every non-halting state.
I convinced ...
-1
votes
1answer
523 views
Use Rice's theorem to prove the following is undecidable
Given the language $L=\{\alpha \mid M_{\alpha}(x)=x^3$ for all $x\in\{0,1\}^*\}$. Prove using Rice's theorem that $L$ is undecidable.
Rice's theorem: Let $P$ be a set of all computable functions $f:\...
0
votes
1answer
1k views
Prove Undecidability: TM M enters each of its states on Input W?
Consider the following problem: given a Turing Machine $M$ and an input string $w$, does $M$ enter each of its states during its computation on input $w$?
How to prove that the problem is undecidable?...
